Bungi Bill

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  How long did it take you to get rid of your WTS library & literature?

  by Think About It in

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  it took me a little over 2 years from the time i quit going.

  been out 15 years now and no wts literature since.. .

  think about it .

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  Bungi Bill

  Within weeks of making the decision to break with them;

  - courtesy of half a dozen matches, and about a gallon of kerosene!

  Bill.
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  What is this overlapping generation crap?

  by sinis in

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  can someone provide a picture of the article that talks about this?

  would love to share this with one remaining family member... thanks!.

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  Bungi Bill

  In coming up with this "ovelapping generation" story, the WTS is in actual fact admitting to us that it has no idea what the hell it is talking about:

  - without actually saying so in so many words.

  Bill.

  PS: The saying "If you can't blind with science, you can always try to baffle with bullshit" comes very much to mind over this one!
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  Special Assembly: CO admits the grip is tightning.....

  by yourmomma in

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  what im about to post is the exact words from the co during the last talk of the most recent special assembly day.

  even though im out i still try to keep up with what is being said just cause i find it interesting, and alot of stuff i find funny, but this stuff is starting to get scary, and i fear for my friends who are still in.

  here are the exact words:.

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  Bungi Bill

  The expression "The More Things Change, The More They Stay The Same" comes to mind!

  Bill.
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  Would You Ever Go Back To The Kingdom Hall?

  by minimus in

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  ever?

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  Bungi Bill

  I sometimes still have nightmares about turning up in the Kingdom Hall.

  That is about as close, though, as I am every going to get:

  - i.e. in my nightmares!

  Bill.
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  WTBTS Downplays Marital Problems Among JWs

  by JW GoneBad in

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  the jan 15, 2011 watchtower study edition has a study article that will be studied on march 7-13, 2011 (respect marriage as a gift from god).

  in it the wtbts tries to minimize and distort the high rate of divorce among jw's.

  in paragraph 4 it says in part: .

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  Bungi Bill

  My first introduction to domestic violence was when I began associating with the JWs.

  While my own parents did not always get on the best, I had never seen anything remotely like that sort of thing at home;

  - quite a culture shock to a boy just turned 17!

  The JW lifestyle is not exactly family friendly to start with. Combine that with their attitude to women, and something has to break.

  (In this particular case, the wife had definite ideas about running the show herself - and the counsel of one certain elder was that

  her husband should, to quote, "clobber her" in order to establish his "headship").

  Needless to say, that did a fat lot of good!

  These days, I feel like kicking myself when I realize that I knew many non-JW couples who had more happy and stable marriages than most of the JWs I knew.

  Bill.
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  Could you ever go back?

  by MrFreeze in

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  not that i'm thinking about it, even for a brief nano-second, but something i have thought about is this, is there any way you could go back and not have people look at you with the stink eye?

  after admitting your true feelings, how in the world could people ever look at you the same?

  if you were in the situation of welcoming someone back, would you be able to look past the errors?

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  Bungi Bill

  Yes, but on one condition:

  - that hell freezes over first!

  Bill.
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  CO admits from platform that "we were embarassed by 1975."

  by watson in

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  said with a smirk/smile/grin.

  this one is the most glib i've seen.. actually, several times "75" came up.

  maybe they feel the more they bring it up and make light of it, the more of a non-issue it will become..

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  Bungi Bill

  Few JWs, in the years leading up to 1975, seemed to know anything about "Judge" Rutherford's utterances concerning 1925.

  As an example, forty years ago in the small town where I started associating with the JWs, they had become such a pest that the local churches all got together and printed an information circular - giving the Witnesses the proverbial "both barrels".

  One of the things that this circular dug up was the WTS's repeated failure of prophecy; and it did mention 1925 as being one such case of several.

  The "brother" I was "studying" with at that time strenuously assured me that the WTS had never ever, at any timementioned anything about 1925. (Like the local churches were having to invent stuff, in order to smear the JWs!) Furthermore, I think that he sincerely believed this to be the case - so well had the 1925 debacle been covered up by then.

  As another poster put it - " when you fail to know your history, you are doomed to repeat it."

  Thank God for the Internet!

  Bill.
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  What would you do if witnesses called on you on Christmas day?

  by RosePetal in

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  if you are celebrating christmas and have perhaps moved and they do not know you.

  what would you do if they called, would you invite them in?.

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  Bungi Bill

  I couldn't tell you what I will say to them, should they call here next Saturday:

  - as it is guaranteed to be unprintable!

  Bill.
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  What is the WT's Motivation? Who Benefits?

  by InterestedOne in

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  another thing my jw friend says to me when i question the wt is, "what would their motivation be?

  they're so humble and no-one gets paid except a basic living allowance for the workers at bethel.

  they're not like those other rotten 'ministries' whose leaders get paid a lot of money, etc.".

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  Bungi Bill

  I would suspect that members of the GB are motivated more by the Power / Authority / Respect / Influence side of things than by anything else.

  It is rather difficult to believe that they themselves believe their own nonsense:

  - If you were serious about sounding out a warning to as many people as possible in the shortest possible time, you would be using some means of mass communication - not sending people trudging from door to door with bags of literature. (Certainly not when such things as radio, television and internet are widely available).

  - At least some of the WT's past leaders were guilty of this. Schnell, in his 30 Years a Watchtower Slave, records an instance in which J.F. Rutherford openly volunteered that the WTS's then hype about 1925 was totally wrong - yet still saw nothing wrong in deluding people into believing that year would see Armeggedon. (William Schnell, while serving as an interpretor, was privy to this conversation between Joseph Rutherford and the WTS's director for Germany).

  - This would remove altruistic motives from the list of "possibles"!

  However, in the more recent past (if not now as well), it would have been extremely easy for somebody to skim off large sums of money. Raymond Franz mentioned in Crisis of Conscience that, in his time at least, nobody could be sure exactly how much money the Watchtower Society was making in any given year.

  Whether or not that situation still persists today (Raymond Franz was dismissed from the GB 30 years ago) , Power and Prestige on their own would be enough to motivate many persons.

  Bill.
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  do you miss anything from when you were a jw?

  by Newborn in

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  a few of my friends who also used to be jw's, say they miss certain things abt it...i can honestly say that i don't miss a single thing (my sister obviously who's still in but nothing else).. before i could sometimes miss having such a strong belief but that's also gone.

  i guess i've moved on big time.

  /newborn.

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  Bungi Bill

  Absolutetly bloody nothing at all!

  As for the assemblies, meetings, conventiuons, special talks etc. etc. etc - yuk!!!!

  Bill.